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Eric Scher

2 years ago  -  Shared publicly
 
You know...

I left Rockland a long time ago, and I'm watching this from a safe distance, hundreds of miles away.

Therefore, I don't really care who I annoy by saying this...

First, the Hasids contribute a great deal of revenue to the coffers of Rockland, in sales, income and property tax. Which means that they support the local schools just like everyone else, but they don't use them and therefore end up paying for their children's education TWICE.

You can quibble over the details, but that's the fundamental truth and there's no getting around it.

Maybe you can get away with that when it's just a few Catholics or Orthodox Jews sending their kids to parochial school. And those parents whose kids go to places like Rockland Country Day school are generally of high enough income levels that they're above the marketplace anyway.

But then, those folks don't vote in blocks.

Refusing to give the Hasids vouchers so they could go their own way made their takeover of East Ramapo inevitable; and frankly I don't blame them for what they did.

Now, it would be easy to blame the politicians who love all those Haitian and other immigrants who become reliable partisan voters eventually, but then... Who elects them?


The post-war boom is over folks. Has been for a long time now. Get used to it.

It's time to stop looking for ever more creative ways to bring back the Rockland of the 60's, 70's & 80's; and deal with the current reality on it's OWN terms.

Or not.

As I said... I'm hundreds of miles away and none of this affects me anymore.
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Michael Koplen

2 years ago  -  Shared publicly
 
Excellent article, insightful and well-written.
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Thanks, Michael.

Harvey Grossman

2 years ago  -  Shared publicly
 
I am confused- Mr. Karben- Aren't you one of the "bloc" voters or did you leave the fold?
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I've been supported by part of the bloc and opposed by part of bloc depending on election. But the purpose of the article is to set forth context for the raging debate around all of us- thanks for reading and for commenting.

Robert Rhodes

2 years ago  -  Shared publicly
 
Excellent essay.  Your comments on the income that is generated by our Hasidic communities is a useful addition to the discussion.  On the other hand, despite the overheated rhetoric, the concern that Hasidic communities generate local social welfare and educational costs that are not adequately reimbursed by NYS is valid.  New York City is so large and generates so much wealth that it can absorb these costs.  For us it is a truly serious problem.

Robert I. Rhodes, Chairman, Preserve Ramapo, www.PreserveRamapo.org
 
Appreciate the feedback; complex challenges require innovative solutions

Ellen Solomon

2 years ago  -  Shared publicly
 
Hi Ryan - it's been a long time!  And we have a similar trend going on in my neck of the woods, Bet Shemesh.  I see a fundamental issue to be expectations of government support for services.
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Karen Riley

2 years ago  -  Shared publicly
 
Very thoughtful and articulate analysis
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Thanks

Deb Munitz

2 years ago  -  Shared publicly
 
"Perhaps the bridge New York most urgently needs to help build is not across the Hudson River, but between the diverging communities that inhabit the valley that abuts it." And you're not for the Ward System Ryan? Seems to me that you should be promoting it. You are completely right that we need to embrace new ways of balancing the various interests in Ramapo. I for one would much rather be working with the ultra orthodox than choosing between fighting them, resenting them or fleeing. A sustainable community must have room for everyone and a voice for everyone.

Brandon Smith

2 years ago  -  Shared publicly
 
Excellent coverage Ry. Entitlement is running rampant in this community, and it needs to stop.
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Michael Klatsky

2 years ago  -  Shared publicly
 
isn't the plan for Rockland to bailed out by the city when the bills come do and there is no new growth to bring in free money? There is nothing to preserve anymore and everyone in Rockland knows the fiscal ship has sailed when the infrastructure and social services bill comes due in that form of a ten percent property tax.
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Micah Katz

2 years ago  -  Shared publicly
 
Well written, as usual. One point that always seems to be pushed to the back burner, voter turnout in many cases COULD beat the bloc vote. Apathy gives the bloc more power than it really wields. 
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I agree with you; the previous election results prove your point. The final results, however, are what practically matters.